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Blog Action Day: Muhammad Yunus talking about poverty

On this Blog Action Day on poverty, I can only quote Muhammad Yunus, founder of Grameen Bank, the world’s most famous microcredit institution. I had the privilege to talk to him in his office in Dhaka, Bangladesh, in 2005, a year before he won the Nobel Peace Prize. In this excerpt from the interview in Ode, "The world champ in poverty fighters", Yunus challenges the way we think about poor people. His wisdom has forever changed my way of thinking about fighting poverty.

"The approach to [fight] poverty is thwarted by our fixed convictions. Poor people are helpless, unhealthy, illiterate and thus stupid, they have nothing, they know nothing, we must take care of them, we must give them food... It is completely wrong to think like this. I am convinced that poor people are just as human as anyone else. They have just as much potential as anyone. They are simply shoved into a box marked POOR! And it’s written in giant letters so that everyone simply treats them the way poor people are treated, because we think this is the way we should treat them. This means it isn’t easy to get out of the box."

"This applies to individuals just as it does to countries. Governments in developing countries receive money from wealthy governments that are kind enough to contribute a portion of their national income to what is referred to as ‘development aid.’ This required charity towards poorer countries has become a credential that is not questioned nearly enough. Even our religions tell us to give money and food to the poor; they don’t say we should create certain conditions and rights so the people can help themselves. But this type of development aid is very damaging: the position of the government is strengthened, the money doesn’t get to the people who need it."

"I’m not just referring to poor countries. I’m also talking about the wealthy, western countries where you have designed a great big box called ‘social welfare.’ You say: oh, he is ill, he is handicapped, he can’t take care of himself, it is society’s responsibility to keep him alive. I think that’s completely wrong. That way of thinking creates a divide between those who work and can take care of themselves and those who cannot."

"And what happens? If you’re one of the unlucky few, you’ll get a benefit payment every month. The message is clear: you can’t do anything, the government has to take care of you. So you become dependent. You get used to having society give you money. You get it, you don’t have to do anything for it, you don’t have to justify it. That is deadly to your initiative and you start waiting for more aid. That’s when they’ve broken your creativity. They’ve taken away a fundamental human element."

"This social welfare system creates a human zoo. The animals in the zoo are given their meals on time and a doctor comes by when they’re sick, but they are living in captivity. They still have a vague instinct that tells them they should hunt, but they aren’t challenged to go hungry for days on end and hunt prey. The animals aren’t as sharp and inventive as they would be in nature. What about them is actually still animalistic? They have become a poor imitation of themselves. By the same token, people who are swallowed up in the western social welfare system are also no longer themselves. They aren’t stimulated to discover their possibilities, talents and creativity. They are robbed of every challenge. They are curbed in their development."

Comments (2)

A brilliant post. Thank you so much. And what an attitude that is literally changing the world! Anne in Japan

posted by Anne Thomas on 10/18/2008 6:51 pm

How is it we can have a man so revered for his beliefs and accomplishments that he is granted the Nobel Prize, yet we as a society continue to disregard what is at the very core of those beliefs? Talk about a disconnect! Or am i completely out of it, out of touch? Marco Visscher’s blog highlights those admirable points yet again.

What i see are literally truckloads of money thrown at the issue of poverty. “We have it. They don’t. We are privileged. They are underprivileged. We know prosperity. They don’t.” If it wasn’t for the fact that i do not have a degree in Psychiatry, i would say this system exemplifies the classic reaction to an overwhelming piling on over the years of guilt. Is it in fact an attempt to elevate ourselves from our own ‘poverty of the Spirit’?

My background is in Wall Street. I believe in a euphoric way of investing. An investor hunts for something of value and empowers it with the resources to bring that idea or asset to fruition. If money is to be made, fine, but the primary objective is to enrich the idea so that it can continue to flourish and in so doing reach a larger audience. We have examples where that principled approach has been successful. Isn’t that how Microsoft got its start? Wasn’t it based on an understanding that this kid (Bill Gates – and his cohorts) had some incredible ideas and we (the investor pool) were going to empower him with the resources to develop them?

The most exciting resource waiting to be discovered, mined, refined and put to a myriad of beyond imaginable possible applications is not the oil beneath our feet but the mind supported by them (our feet).

Now that my endeavors have become far more social minded, humanistic oriented and evidently all too altruistic, i put those principles into action, yet feel very alone in doing so. I wonder if Mr. Yunus feels this aloneness when he visits certain regions of the World.

Nevertheless as an investor i can not ignore what i have seen in the realm of reality. Over and over and over again i have encountered ‘poor people’ (shhhh, they don’t know that they are poor…lol) who may have a difficult Life but are alive, happy, full of ideas. Dare i say that i could take it a step further and say that i have far too often encountered wealthy people (wealthy by any global financial criteria) who are nothing but dead, unhappy, with a mind that just spews SOS. And i don’t have to go to the far reaches of Africa to find examples.

So what does that say about our attempts by humanity to eradicate the perceived poverty that is out there? It appears to be at the center of so many efforts – The World Bank, The World Economic Forum, The Gates Foundation, The Clinton Foundation, The UN’s Millennium Development Goals, World Vision, The $700B+ Bank Bailout Plans, The ONE,… even The Grameen Foundation. It has become fashionable to take on ‘poverty’. It’s an all out ‘fight’ or war and has been on-going throughout the ages. Why is that?

Of course, these organizations and the many others like them are doing incredible feats, no question about it. All i am saying is it feels entirely different to me when i look out into the vastness of our World and see:

Just look at all the poverty, all the people who are down and out, all those who have nothing, who are starving and struggling to survive on even a dime a day… vs. Wow, look at all these mind-full resources just waiting to be discovered (and no i do not mean exploited). I’m curious. What do you suppose lies within those minds? Amazement, no doubt.

So Ode’s timely articles bring light to the very core of the issues, what we need to be questioning. Once we take on the challenge of overhauling our mindset, the questions about what actions to take become second nature. Perhaps the poverty we need to ‘fight’ (or perhaps merely acknowledge) is not ‘out there’ afterall.

Thanks for the reminder.

posted by HoaryMarmot on 10/19/2008 2:22 am

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